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tax fraud? Ted 04-14-2006
|--> Re: tax fraud? Stuart A. Brons...04-15-2006
Posted by TxSrv on April 16, 2006, 11:45 pm
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 Ted wrote:

> ...
> Thanks, that was just what I was looking for. They only
> investigated 1800 individuals for fraud! That sorta
> implies that all but the most extreme are taken as errors.

1800 actual, annual pros cases means they considered, to at
least some degree, tens of thousands. Serious "errors" not
referred for prosecution are subject to civil penalties
ranging from 20% to 75%. That has excellent enforcement
effect too.

Presuming staffing were not much an issue, especially Dept.
of Justice, excessive prosecutions would be
counter-productive. They don't want t/p's feeling they need
a criminal defense attorney to discuss a common audit
matter, though it may involve high $$ and/or degree of
negligence. IRS calls it "balanced enforcement."

Fred F.

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Posted by effi on April 17, 2006, 12:35 pm
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>>> I read in today's newpaper that a man plead guilty to filing
>>> false tax returns to avoid paying $40,000 in taxes. How
>>> common are such prosecutions? What sort of penalty would be
>>> involved?
>>>
>>> No, I haven't done anything wrong (I certainly wouldn't have
>>> posted here if I had!); the paper doesn't say, and I am just
>>> curious.

>> Check out the following pages of IRS.GOV, you might get a
>> feel for what is being pursued.
>>
>> http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=121259,00.html
>> http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=146259,00.html

> Thanks, that was just what I was looking for. They only
> investigated 1800 individuals for fraud! That sorta implies
> that all but the most extreme are taken as errors.

proving fraud means proving intent, which is hard to do

how many of the 1800 didn't go to prison, did it say?

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Posted by TaxmanHog on April 18, 2006, 12:15 am
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> "effi" wrote......
>> "Ted" wrote:
>>> "TaxmanHog" wrote:
>>>> "Ted" wrote:

>>>> I read in today's newpaper that a man ~plead~ guilty.......

>>> Check out the following pages of IRS.GOV, you might get a
>>> feel for what is being pursued.
>>> http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=121259,00.html
>>> http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=146259,00.html

>> Thanks, that was just what I was looking for. They only
>> investigated 1800 individuals for fraud! That sorta implies
>> that all but the most extreme are taken as errors.

> proving fraud means proving intent, which is hard to do
> how many of the 1800 didn't go to prison, did it say?

The key issue regarding the citations on the web site:

These were cases investigated, with sufficient evidence that
either conviction occurred, or plea agreement was reached.

As you can imagine, some cases referred for investigation do
not reach this stage. The details are not made public, but
thee might be a STAT in the SOI on investigations initiated.

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Posted by effi on April 15, 2006, 2:59 am
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> I read in today's newpaper that a man plead guilty to filing
> false tax returns to avoid paying $40,000 in taxes. How
> common are such prosecutions? What sort of penalty would be
> involved?
>
> No, I haven't done anything wrong (I certainly wouldn't have
> posted here if I had!); the paper doesn't say, and I am just
> curious.

supposedly they are common enough that the irs runs stories
like that around this time of year most every year to
encourage voluntary compliance with tax laws he wasn't
avoiding tax (legal), he was evading tax (illegal) seems
imprisonment might be one of the "penalties" involved for
the criminal tax evasion

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