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taxes on lawsuit settlements/legal fees Woody 05-06-2008
Posted by D. Stussy on May 8, 2008, 8:39 pm
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> >> Woody wrote:
> >> >>> I am suing a professional for actual damages. When I win, will the
> >> >>> proceeds
> >> >>> be taxable, since they are just to reimburse me for what I lost?
Are
> > my
> >> >>> legal fees tax deductable?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If it is more complicated than this, what are the issues involved?
> >>
> >> >> It is more complicated. What is the nature of the damage you
suffered?
> >> >>
> >> > My accountant gave me advice which turned out to be seriously wrong,
> >> > resulting in much higher taxes. He had all the information needed to
> > answer
> >> > correctly, but (apparently) chose to make incorrect assumptions
rather
> > than
> >> > looking at the information.
> >>
> >> I found a good overview and discussion of some of the issues involved
at
> >>
> >> www.weitzlux.com/irs/lawsuitsettlements_915.html
> >>
> >> (I have no connection to the publisher of this web site.)
> >>
> >> All income from whatever source is taxable, unless specifically
> >> excluded. Physical injury settlements are specifically excluded,
> >> punitive damages normally are taxable.
> >
> > Right (and that paraphrases IRC 104). However, the key word is INCOME.
> > Not
> > all transfers of money represent income to any/all of the parties
> > involved.
> >
> > Suits of equity are about making one whole for some damage. Income
should
> > be recognized in them only when the payment is to represent income lost
> > via
> > the act of damage (back pay, lost wages, earning potential, etc....) or
> > when
> > it is reimbursement for an amount permitted as a deduction (tax benefit
> > rule). Otherwise, it's not income and therefore doesn't fall under the
> > general rule of inclusion in IRC 61.
> >
> > Punitive damages are a matter of law, not of equity, and that's why
> > they're
> > taxable.
> >
> >> Are you saying that your taxable income would have been the same,
> >> regardless of whether you had received "correct" or incorrect advice?
> >> In other words, the bad advice resulted only in higher taxes on the
same
> >> amount of income?
> >>
> Yes, my income would have been the same in any event; it more or less
comes
> down to improper deduction timing.
>
> Since it is not income, but a damage of avoidable taxes paid, it
presumably
> would not be taxable?
> Would the legal fees still be deductable even if the award is not taxable?

No. Legal fees for non-taxable income are not deductble.

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Posted by Stuart Bronstein on May 10, 2008, 9:52 am
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> No. Legal fees for non-taxable income are not deductble.

Is there a distinction between non-taxable income and income that was
previously taxed but is merely being recovered?

Stu

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Posted by D. Stussy on May 10, 2008, 2:48 pm
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> > No. Legal fees for non-taxable income are not deductble.
>
> Is there a distinction between non-taxable income and income that was
> previously taxed but is merely being recovered?

I don't follow. If it were previously taxed, then how can it be be subject
to recovery?

Now, if you are saying it was previously taxed due to accrual accounting but
never received, then fees to collect it are deductible.

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Posted by Stuart Bronstein on May 10, 2008, 2:55 pm
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>>
>> > No. Legal fees for non-taxable income are not deductble.
>>
>> Is there a distinction between non-taxable income and income that
>> was previously taxed but is merely being recovered?
>
> I don't follow. If it were previously taxed, then how can it be
> be subject to recovery?
>
> Now, if you are saying it was previously taxed due to accrual
> accounting but never received, then fees to collect it are
> deductible.

Neither. You have money in your bank account that you received in past
years and have paid tax on it. Someone (in a consumer transaction)
sells you something that turns out to be worthless, so you pay for it
with money in that same bank account. When you sue for it later you
receive a judgment for your money, but after paying your lawyer you
only get two-thirds back.

There is no tax on recovery of the money, but after paying attorneys
fees you are still in the hole. Can you deduct those fees in that
case?

Stu

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Posted by Han on May 10, 2008, 5:37 pm
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> Neither. You have money in your bank account that you received in past
> years and have paid tax on it. Someone (in a consumer transaction)
> sells you something that turns out to be worthless, so you pay for it
> with money in that same bank account. When you sue for it later you
> receive a judgment for your money, but after paying your lawyer you
> only get two-thirds back.
>
> There is no tax on recovery of the money, but after paying attorneys
> fees you are still in the hole. Can you deduct those fees in that
> case?
>
> Stu
>
Why would you get only 2/3 back? That sounds like a lousy result for a
suit to recover money. It means a certain amount of money gets taxed
twice: Once for having been earned by the person who later had to sue for
recovery of a 3 times greater amount, then by the lawyer who received it as
a fee. Something isn't kosher here, but then I am neither lawyer nor
accountant <grin>.
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Han
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