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taxes on lawsuit settlements/legal fees Woody 05-06-2008
Posted by Seth on May 12, 2008, 10:37 pm
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>> There are various reasons. One is that in the US judgments generally
>> don't include an award of attorneys fees unless there is a law or
>> contract to specifically provides for it. In other words, you pay your
>> lawyer out of your winnings. The other party doesn't.
>
>I understand that you need to pay the attorneys/lawyers, but shouldn't
>the award be for an amount that assures that?

Yes, it should be, but in most cases, it isn't.

Take it up with your legislature if you want the rules changed.

Seth

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Posted by D. Stussy on May 11, 2008, 5:54 am
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> >>
> >> > No. Legal fees for non-taxable income are not deductble.
> >>
> >> Is there a distinction between non-taxable income and income that
> >> was previously taxed but is merely being recovered?
> >
> > I don't follow. If it were previously taxed, then how can it be
> > be subject to recovery?
> >
> > Now, if you are saying it was previously taxed due to accrual
> > accounting but never received, then fees to collect it are
> > deductible.
>
> Neither. You have money in your bank account that you received in past
> years and have paid tax on it. Someone (in a consumer transaction)
> sells you something that turns out to be worthless, so you pay for it
> with money in that same bank account. When you sue for it later you
> receive a judgment for your money, but after paying your lawyer you
> only get two-thirds back.
>
> There is no tax on recovery of the money, but after paying attorneys
> fees you are still in the hole. Can you deduct those fees in that
> case?

If there's no tax on the recovery, then the expense is not deductible.

Why would there be no tax on the recovery? Supposedly, one claimed a theft
loss deduction - and that makes the recovery taxable.

There is no blanket deduction for legal fees. They must be business related
or for the production of income. Any other legal fee, including but not
limited to personal ones (e.g. divorce) is not deductible.

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Posted by Woody on May 11, 2008, 3:58 pm
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> If there's no tax on the recovery, then the expense is not deductible.
>
> Why would there be no tax on the recovery? Supposedly, one claimed a
> theft
> loss deduction - and that makes the recovery taxable.
>
In my case I can't deduct the loss, so I can't make the recovery an income.
But I don't think I would want to even if I could.

The loss is less 10% of your taxable income, but the recovery is taxed
completely. And only the portion of legal fees over 2% of your income is
deductable So the legal fees would have to exceed 12% of your income just
to break even on that.

Am I doing it right?

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Posted by D. Stussy on May 12, 2008, 12:56 am
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> > If there's no tax on the recovery, then the expense is not deductible.
> >
> > Why would there be no tax on the recovery? Supposedly, one claimed a
> > theft
> > loss deduction - and that makes the recovery taxable.
> >
> In my case I can't deduct the loss, so I can't make the recovery an
income.
> But I don't think I would want to even if I could.
>
> The loss is less 10% of your taxable income, but the recovery is taxed
> completely. And only the portion of legal fees over 2% of your income is
> deductable So the legal fees would have to exceed 12% of your income
just
> to break even on that.

Why would your recovery be taxed completely? See IRC section 111 - "tax
benefit rule." Basically, that says that a recovery is not taxable if it's
for an amount never deducted.

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Posted by Stuart Bronstein on May 12, 2008, 9:22 pm
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> If there's no tax on the recovery, then the expense is not
> deductible.

You mean if there is no current tax on the recovery. In my example I
posited that the plaintiff had paid tax on the money in a prior year.
He incurs attorneys fees to recover that money. Certainly there is no
tax on recovering the money he already paid tax on. But you are saying
that if the taxable year and the deduction for recovery of the taxable
money do not coincide, there is no deduction, while if they do coincide
there is a deduction.

Stu

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