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unknown cost basis of stock davidrosenbaum 05-22-2008
Posted by davidrosenbaum on May 22, 2008, 12:06 pm
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I have a client whose father invested in IRA's. The father died, and
the son received the IRA's as the residual beneficiary of the account,
and this money didn't go through probate (that's what he says).

For some reason, there was a transaction performed and part of the IRA
was redeemed and immediately reinvested in the same shares. He claims
it was a mess-up on the part of the broker. But the strange this is
that he received a 1099-B for the "sale"of those shares.

Of course, he has no idea of the cost basis of those shares or whether
his father had any nondeductibe contributions to the IRA.

Can anyone make heads or tails of this?

Thanks.

David Rosenbaum

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Posted by Arthur Kamlet on May 22, 2008, 12:30 pm
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>I have a client whose father invested in IRA's. The father died, and
>the son received the IRA's as the residual beneficiary of the account,
>and this money didn't go through probate (that's what he says).
>
>For some reason, there was a transaction performed and part of the IRA
>was redeemed and immediately reinvested in the same shares. He claims
>it was a mess-up on the part of the broker. But the strange this is
>that he received a 1099-B for the "sale"of those shares.
>
>Of course, he has no idea of the cost basis of those shares or whether
>his father had any nondeductibe contributions to the IRA.
>
>Can anyone make heads or tails of this?


If he was the named beneficiary of the IRA, then the IRA does
not become part of his probate estate.


Unless he asks for the IRA to be distributed to him as new owner
of the IRA, the proceeds should not have been distributed.


Ordinarily, he would ask the IRA custodian to re-register the IRA
as John Doe as Beneficiary of James Doe IRA or very similar.


If he never asked for a distribution, and the IRA custodian will
not own up to its responsibility to make this whole, then this
now becomes a legal matter, and he needs legal advice.

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Posted by D. Stussy on May 22, 2008, 9:03 pm
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> In article
> >I have a client whose father invested in IRA's. The father died, and
> >the son received the IRA's as the residual beneficiary of the account,
> >and this money didn't go through probate (that's what he says).
> >
> >For some reason, there was a transaction performed and part of the IRA
> >was redeemed and immediately reinvested in the same shares. He claims
> >it was a mess-up on the part of the broker. But the strange this is
> >that he received a 1099-B for the "sale"of those shares.
> >
> >Of course, he has no idea of the cost basis of those shares or whether
> >his father had any nondeductibe contributions to the IRA.
> >
> >Can anyone make heads or tails of this?
>
>
> If he was the named beneficiary of the IRA, then the IRA does
> not become part of his probate estate.
>
>
> Unless he asks for the IRA to be distributed to him as new owner
> of the IRA, the proceeds should not have been distributed.
>
>
> Ordinarily, he would ask the IRA custodian to re-register the IRA
> as John Doe as Beneficiary of James Doe IRA or very similar.
>
>
> If he never asked for a distribution, and the IRA custodian will
> not own up to its responsibility to make this whole, then this
> now becomes a legal matter, and he needs legal advice.

A form 1099-B for an IRA (inherited or not) is an error. What is important
is the 1099-R.

If the broker issued a 1099-B for the sale from the IRA account, the broker
really screwed up - unless the account wasn't an IRA after all.

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Posted by davidrosenbaum on May 25, 2008, 4:36 pm
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> > >I have a client whose father invested in IRA's. The father died, and
> > >the son received the IRA's as the residual beneficiary of the account,
> > >and this money didn't go through probate (that's what he says).
>
> > >For some reason, there was a transaction performed and part of the IRA
> > >was redeemed and immediately reinvested in the same shares. He claims
> > >it was a mess-up on the part of the broker. But the strange this is
> > >that he received a 1099-B for the "sale"of those shares.
>
> > >Of course, he has no idea of the cost basis of those shares or whether
> > >his father had any nondeductibe contributions to the IRA.
>
> > >Can anyone make heads or tails of this?
>
> > If he was the named beneficiary of the IRA, then the IRA does
> > not become part of his probate estate.
>
> > Unless he asks for the  IRA to be distributed to him as new owner
> > of the IRA, the proceeds should not have been distributed.
>
> > Ordinarily, he would ask the IRA custodian to re-register the IRA
> > as John Doe as Beneficiary of James Doe IRA or very similar.
>
> > If he never asked for a distribution, and the IRA custodian will
> > not own up to its responsibility to make this whole, then this
> > now becomes a legal matter, and he needs legal advice.
>
> A form 1099-B for an IRA (inherited or not) is an error.  What is important
> is the 1099-R.
>
> If the broker issued a 1099-B for the sale from the IRA account, the broker
> really screwed up - unless the account wasn't an IRA after all.
>
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Thanks everyone.

I also thought that there shouldn't be a 1099-B, as you say.

And Phil, I agree with your analysis. I told him pretty much the same
thing. He gave me no info re the IRA - said there was none. But he's
now checking it. The 1099-B was issued on his name.

Hopefully he'll get me some IRA info and then we can see.

David

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Posted by Rich Carreiro on May 22, 2008, 1:01 pm
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davidrosenbaum@gmail.com writes:

> For some reason, there was a transaction performed and part of the IRA
> was redeemed and immediately reinvested in the same shares. He claims
> it was a mess-up on the part of the broker. But the strange this is
> that he received a 1099-B for the "sale"of those shares.
>
> Of course, he has no idea of the cost basis of those shares or whether
> his father had any nondeductibe contributions to the IRA.

The cost basis will be whatever the amount of the reinvested
IRA "redemption" was. Whether or not his father had made
non-ded contributions to the IRA is irrelevant.

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