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urgent ...Tax issue kimshapiro100 12-04-2006
Posted by Victor Roberts on December 8, 2006, 2:45 am
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> Naw..... Classify all "draws" as officer receivable and
> then in December wipe most of it out with an annual salary
> check. No law says that a salary must be paid weekly,
> monthly, etc.
>
> In fact I think next year I'm just going to wait till
> December to record my payroll. By the by, annual is the
> method formerly used to pay English army officers in the
> 19th century.

That's exactly what I do in my single-employee C corp (minus
the draws of course) I lay myself when I have money, which
means perhaps no paycheck in January or February, then
quarterly unless the company is flush and pays more
frequently and then a check on the last business day in
December to finish off the year.

The OP also needs to pay off any company credit card bills
and make sure that she doesn't leave more money as "profit"
sitting in the company bank account than necessary.

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Posted by Victor Roberts on December 9, 2006, 7:01 am
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> That's exactly what I do in my single-employee C corp (minus
> the draws of course) I lay myself when I have money, which
> means perhaps no paycheck in January or February, then
> quarterly unless the company is flush and pays more
> frequently and then a check on the last business day in
> December to finish off the year.

Sorry folks. That should have read PAY myself. The L is
after all right next to the P on my keyboard.

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Posted by L K Williams on December 8, 2006, 3:42 pm
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By the by, annual is the method formerly used to pay English
army officers in the 19th century.

Yes, but in those days, the officers purchased their
commissions. In other words, the officers were
independently wealthy and did not require the salary for
living expenses.

Lanny K. Williams, CPA
Nawarat, Williams & Co., Ltd.
Income Tax Services for Expatriate Americans

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Posted by Tony Cox on December 6, 2006, 8:57 am
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Josh wrote:
> kimshapiro100@yahoo.com wrote:

>> urgent...payroll tax issue
>> *******************************
>> My friend started a tiny business in Jan 2006. She got an
>> investor to put a small amount of money. It is a C Corp in
>> California.
>>
>> She was supposed to be an employee with a salary. She was
>> so busy ..being a one woman show..that she did not take a
>> salary. She just drew an amount of money every month.
>>
>> Now she is trying to get her act together...and get herself
>> to be paid like an employee and rectify her mistakes of the
>> whole year.
>>
>> What does she have to do to rectify this situation ?
>>
>> What forms?
>>
>> Any penalties?
>>
>> Is it very complicated?

> I see two courses of action that she can take assuming she
> has kept decent records:
>
> 1. Assuming the monthly distributions are reasonable, she
> can still consider the distributions as a salary.
>
> 2. The second option would be to classify some of the
> monthly payments as salary and some as a dividend
>
> It sounds like no matter what route your friend takes she is
> in for a heavy tax burden, whether employment taxes, income
> taxes, or both.

I'm not a CPA, nor do I play one on TV, but what's wrong
with this scenario?

a) Classify the existing distributions as a loan from
the corporation.

b) Pay employee in December a whopping salary, properly
withholding SS, Medicare, employment taxes, Fed income
tax + EDD stuff

c) Employee uses the proceeds to pay off the corporate loan.

d) File last quarter 941 on Jan 15 2007 as would be normal
were one simply to have started payroll in 4Qtr '06.

e) Set a reasonable salary for next year & carry on filing
as normal.

There's no need for any penalty here now is there? She'll
just have to get busy registering with EDD and getting all
the employment blurb stuff from the web before the end of
the year.

> Hope this helps,

Actually, I thought your proposals, rife with talk of
penalties and "red flags" quite alarmist. Why frighten the
poor woman?

Moderator:
I thought it was mild! This is December and it needs to be
now or else.

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Posted by Harlan Lunsford on December 7, 2006, 8:49 am
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Tony Cox wrote:
> Josh wrote:
>> kimshapiro100@yahoo.com wrote:

>>> urgent...payroll tax issue
>>> *******************************
>>> My friend started a tiny business in Jan 2006. She got an
>>> investor to put a small amount of money. It is a C Corp in
>>> California.
>>>
>>> She was supposed to be an employee with a salary. She was
>>> so busy ..being a one woman show..that she did not take a
>>> salary. She just drew an amount of money every month.
>>>
>>> Now she is trying to get her act together...and get herself
>>> to be paid like an employee and rectify her mistakes of the
>>> whole year.
>>>
>>> What does she have to do to rectify this situation ?
>>>
>>> What forms?
>>>
>>> Any penalties?
>>>
>>> Is it very complicated?

>> I see two courses of action that she can take assuming she
>> has kept decent records:
>>
>> 1. Assuming the monthly distributions are reasonable, she
>> can still consider the distributions as a salary.
>>
>> 2. The second option would be to classify some of the
>> monthly payments as salary and some as a dividend
>>
>> It sounds like no matter what route your friend takes she is
>> in for a heavy tax burden, whether employment taxes, income
>> taxes, or both.

> I'm not a CPA, nor do I play one on TV, but what's wrong
> with this scenario?
>
> a) Classify the existing distributions as a loan from
> the corporation.
>
> b) Pay employee in December a whopping salary, properly
> withholding SS, Medicare, employment taxes, Fed income
> tax + EDD stuff
>
> c) Employee uses the proceeds to pay off the corporate loan.
>
> d) File last quarter 941 on Jan 15 2007 as would be normal
> were one simply to have started payroll in 4Qtr '06.
>
> e) Set a reasonable salary for next year & carry on filing
> as normal.
>
> There's no need for any penalty here now is there? She'll
> just have to get busy registering with EDD and getting all
> the employment blurb stuff from the web before the end of
> the year.

>> Hope this helps,

> Actually, I thought your proposals, rife with talk of
> penalties and "red flags" quite alarmist. Why frighten the
> poor woman?
>
> Moderator:
> I thought it was mild! This is December and it needs to be
> now or else.

Tony has the gist of it methinks. There are accountants out
there who get all up tight when....

aww, nevermind.
IOW, this isn't rocket science.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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